Bigger embarrassment?

Started by icecream-guy, July 18, 2018, 06:14:21 AM

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Which was a bigger embarrassment

Trump/Putin Summit?
1 (25%)
Amazon Prime Day?
3 (75%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: August 17, 2018, 06:15:41 AM

icecream-guy

I don't know which was a bigger embarrassment so far this week.

Trump/Putin Summit?
Amazon Crash Day?
:professorcat:

My Moral Fibers have been cut.

dlots

Haven't been keeping up on the US/Russian summit.  It's to hard to get around the Trump hate to see if he actally did something wrong.  Personally I am a big fan of keeping relations with Russia good.

deanwebb

Big online sale events, I *expect* those to swamp the servers and tank them.

President of the USA - and this is what I saw myself in his press conferences - talking tougher to allied heads of state than hostile heads of state - big disappointment.

Good relations with Russia are good, but only if relations with allies are *better*.
Take a baseball bat and trash all the routers, shout out "IT'S A NETWORK PROBLEM NOW, SUCKERS!" and then peel out of the parking lot in your Ferrari.
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icecream-guy

Quote from: deanwebb on July 18, 2018, 11:24:36 AM
Big online sale events, I *expect* those to swamp the servers and tank them.



being that amazon is BIIIG,   you think they have the infrastructure in place to handle, or at least set the stuff up in AWS so they could spin up instances as the load increases. (probably not in their budget, that AWS can get pricey)
:professorcat:

My Moral Fibers have been cut.

deanwebb

Quote from: ristau5741 on July 18, 2018, 12:47:35 PM

being that amazon is BIIIG,   you think they have the infrastructure in place to handle, or at least set the stuff up in AWS so they could spin up instances as the load increases. (probably not in their budget, that AWS can get pricey)


It's all in the charge-backs, baby!  :smug:
Take a baseball bat and trash all the routers, shout out "IT'S A NETWORK PROBLEM NOW, SUCKERS!" and then peel out of the parking lot in your Ferrari.
"The world could perish if people only worked on things that were easy to handle." -- Vladimir Savchenko
Вопросы есть? Вопросов нет! | BCEB: Belkin Certified Expert Baffler | "Plan B is Plan A with an element of panic." -- John Clarke
Accounting is architecture, remember that!
Air gaps are high-latency Internet connections.

dlots

At this point Trump could solve world hunger and bring world peace and democrats would complain about lost defense company contracts, and hurting the American farmer.  The whole "Russia is interfearing in our elections by informing the voters that ploiticans are evil scumbags" thing never upset me.

I don't like him at all, I didn't vote for him, and I won't vote for him in the futurel, but at this point it's to hard to tell the smoke people are trying to blow up my butt from the smoke from the fire.

deanwebb

Getting back to the networking side of the issue, I can say that the stuff coming into - or attempting to come into - our businesses and government agencies from Russia and China is truly horrendous. The cyberthreat is very real, and Trump's backpedaling and prevaricating about it is totally at odds with the realities I see in the networks.

When you find the IP addresses from Russia downloading files from the server farm and are locked out of a string of routers and switches between that server and an insecure Internet access point, there's no room to think that maybe these are guys we want to work together with. That particular relationship with Russia needs to be blocked, cleaned out, and referred to the US Secret Service.
Take a baseball bat and trash all the routers, shout out "IT'S A NETWORK PROBLEM NOW, SUCKERS!" and then peel out of the parking lot in your Ferrari.
"The world could perish if people only worked on things that were easy to handle." -- Vladimir Savchenko
Вопросы есть? Вопросов нет! | BCEB: Belkin Certified Expert Baffler | "Plan B is Plan A with an element of panic." -- John Clarke
Accounting is architecture, remember that!
Air gaps are high-latency Internet connections.

Dieselboy

Quote from: deanwebb on July 18, 2018, 11:24:36 AM
Big online sale events, I *expect* those to swamp the servers and tank them.


Traditionally yes, but these days with auto-scaling and cloud services this is not a problem for properly architected systems. For a random google-search company this could be excusable, may be they just didnt make full use of the cloud tech. But for AWS whom actually lead the way in public cloud, it's not really excusable and is a bit of an oxymoron  / facepalm lol

icecream-guy

Quote from: Dieselboy on July 20, 2018, 03:11:50 AM
Quote from: deanwebb on July 18, 2018, 11:24:36 AM
Big online sale events, I *expect* those to swamp the servers and tank them.


Traditionally yes, but these days with auto-scaling and cloud services this is not a problem for properly architected systems. For a random google-search company this could be excusable, may be they just didnt make full use of the cloud tech. But for AWS whom actually lead the way in public cloud, it's not really excusable and is a bit of an oxymoron  / facepalm lol


from a CNBC News story

The e-commerce giant also had to add servers manually to meet the traffic demand, indicating its auto-scaling feature may have failed to work properly leading up to the crash, according to external experts who reviewed the documents. "Currently out of capacity for scaling," one of the updates said about the status of Amazon's servers, roughly an hour after Prime Day's launch. "Looking at scavenging hardware."

ref
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/amazon-internal-documents-what-caused-prime-day-crash-company-scramble.html

:professorcat:

My Moral Fibers have been cut.

deanwebb

Or, in other words... Don't trust the hype that the cloud will always scale up. Processing and storage are cheap and plentiful, but not infinite.
Take a baseball bat and trash all the routers, shout out "IT'S A NETWORK PROBLEM NOW, SUCKERS!" and then peel out of the parking lot in your Ferrari.
"The world could perish if people only worked on things that were easy to handle." -- Vladimir Savchenko
Вопросы есть? Вопросов нет! | BCEB: Belkin Certified Expert Baffler | "Plan B is Plan A with an element of panic." -- John Clarke
Accounting is architecture, remember that!
Air gaps are high-latency Internet connections.

Dieselboy